Wednesday 13

By Jay Oakley


Well, I’m sitting once again with Wednesday 13. Wednesday, how are you, brother and thanks for having me.

I’m good, I’m good.

How’s the tour going so far?

It’s been great. It’s been going by really slow it feels like.

Oh, really? How far along into it are you?

I don’t even know but I think it’s like twelve shows. But, it feels like it should already be like twenty shows but it’s slow, it’s going slower every day. But, that’s a good thing, we’re having fun, it’s a blast. We did the acoustic thing last year, the last time we came through here so it’s good to have the full band. So tonight, you’re going to get the rock show.

So, for this run of shows with CombiChrist, how long of a tour have you set up?

This goes into Europe with those guys. It’s thirty-four, thirty-five dates in the States and eighteen overseas. So, pretty much, we’re doing all summer with them. We’ve known those guys for a while. Joe (Letz,) the drummer, he played in Wednesday 13 for a few minutes back in 2007 or 8 or something like that so we’ve known each other for a long time and it worked out that we got the tour and it’s been fun. It’s fun for us to be a support band. Normally, we’re out headlining which is cool but it’s always fun to get in front of a few people that don’t know who you are and I can see that every night. I pick out that one guy that you can see, he’s got that question mark going through his head and my goal is to get him from the back of the bar, upfront and clapping along to the last song. So that’s, kind of, my job every night.

So, that last time we got to talk was right before Condolences was coming out. With the release of Condolences now, talk about the reception and your fans and what you’re getting as feedback on a much heavier side of Wednesday 13.

The reaction was great. I didn’t know what to expect. I always get a little bit nervous because you want your fans to like what you do but I knew this album definitely had a different vibe from the other ones. It was a little heavier but over a year now listening to it and then I go back and listen to Monsters Of The Universe, I don’t know if it’s heavier then Monsters Of The Universe. Maybe Monsters is heavier than this. I kept saying it was heavy but it definitely has a heavy vibe to it but the fans embraced it. Everyone loved it, like when we play those songs from the record now, people are singing along to those just like the classic ones so the reaction was good and now we have to top that one. So, we’ve got our writing hats on now and we’re going to start writing after this tour with CombiChrist in August. So, we’re writing in September, October and then we’re in the studio in December doing the follow up. I have no idea what it’s going to be called; it’s still in the writing stages. I’ve got to hear the music first and then I’ll start getting weird with it.

Another thing that was cool about Condolences, we touched on it last year but you couldn’t speak on it but you had said that you were literally just on the phone with your new record label but you couldn’t say anything.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah!

So, of course, I’ve got to ask you because you’ve done it all. Horror High, Independents, Roadrunner so I’m curious to hear how your relationship with Nuclear Blast is going and how you feel they’ve been treating you.

Oh, it’s been great. I mean, that was my goal. It’s kind of crazy, before Condolences came out, about two years before that I had a goal in my head and I was like, “I want to do a record with a producer, I want to do a record with Zeuss (Chris Harris) and I want to get signed to Nuclear Blast.” I just had that in the back of my head and it didn’t work out the one year and it didn’t work the next year. I finally got to record with Zeuss and then we got the deal. It was pretty cool, it really just, kind of, fell in almost exactly how I had envisioned it. I almost had to pinch myself to make myself believe that this was real. But, it was cool how it just worked out and then great thing about Nuclear Blast is it’s all of my old people that I worked with at Roadrunner. A lot of those people work for them now, my old A&R guy, Monte Conner, who signed everybody, everybody. You wouldn’t have your favorite bands now without that guy. He signed everyone from Slipknot to Type O Negative, Fear Factory, you name it, Gojira, everything and this is out second Wednesday 13 album together, so he’s been a big fan. He’s even a fan of the Frankenstein Drag Queens. So, yeah, it’s cool because it feels like a family there.

I live in California now; I go by the office there and hang out. I know everyone there and got to meet the European side on the last tour so, it’s cool. I feel like we have a home there now so that’s the good thing and, you know, the music business is always ever changing, we’re still doing what we’ve always done. Just because we got signed we didn’t stop working, we just have an extra tool now to get our videos out and get our records in the right hands and things like that. So, just getting signed is not the, “We made it!” We’re still trying to make it so we just keep touring and building the stage show and you’ll see tonight, it’s gotten even more theatrical and we’re just going to take it up a new level next year with the next record so, it’s going to be cool. Every time I get to reinvent myself which is pretty cool.

It’s kind of cool that you mentioned your stage show because I saw you two years ago at the Canal Club and I’d seen you on various other tours for your records and projects but the first time I saw you was years ago and it was not long after your car accident and you had hurt your collar bone so you weren’t able to play guitar at that time. So, you did this crazy show that I still remember and you had a Regan doll for “Love At First Fright.”

Oh right. Yeah, yeah. I had toys for everything.

Toys for everything, dude. So, what is it about your brain and your stage show, to keep it evolving so you can get that guy in the back and bring him to the front?

That’s, kind of, always been the goal. Even back when I first started, I always put myself in the audience and I always go, “What would be cool to see onstage?” We’ve seen everything; everybody’s done something but just to come up with something new, that’s what keeps me going. You said you’d seen the old show when I had the Regan doll. That was literally, I broke my collar bone, I couldn’t play guitar so out of fear I was like, “What am I going to do? I’ve got to be a front guy.” I felt naked without a guitar so I just went into my garage and literally just pulled out all these props and toys. It was cheesy and it was thrift store and I loved it. I thought it was so cool. So, we’re kind of, doing that now but a little less thrift store budget. I’ve got custom masks and things like that so it’s definitely taken a more mature, if you even want to use that word, compared to what that was. [Laughs] That was more Sesame Street this is more Elm Street.

And, you don’t really play guitar as much on stage now but you write your music on guitar.

Yeah, I still write a little. I don’t write everything but I still play guitar at home and stuff a lot.

Was playing just something you chose to phase out over time so you could really engage the crowd more and do that, I guess, Alice Cooper thing?

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it’s one of those things where I’m not confident as a guitarist and being the front guy. Even though people disagree and say, “You were great, you were cool.” For me, it’s just that I was never 100% on my voice when I play guitar and I was never 100% on guitar when I was trying to sing. So, on the one side, I could get away from that and got confidence as the front guy, that was all I needed. I’ve got two killer guitar players (Roman Surman, Jack Tankersley) and now I get to run around and play with toys and it’s a lot less stressful for me not having to worry about tuning a guitar or playing because I’m a perfectionist and I don’t want to fuck up. So, now I’m just doing more of a theatrical show where I’m having fun. I’ve been doing this for so long and adding these props and things to the show, it keeps it exciting for me.

It’s got to feel good, of course, but talk a little bit about the guys that have been rolling with you for a while now. They’re all just such killer musicians and you spoke so highly last time of finally having that killer drummer behind you. So, being surrounded by a band full of pros has got to feel good but also reassuring.

It’s awesome. Years ago, not to say anything bad about my past members, I had a cool lineup and everything worked the way it did but this lineup now, these are my best friends. Ramon’s been playing with me since 2009 with Gunfire 76, Jack joined that band as well. I don’t know, it feels like a family, it’s a unit; it’s really easy for us to make music, like we’re all on the same page. It’s not like five guys coming in with five completely different ideas of what it is, it just fits. It fits perfect and it’s taken a long time to get that going.

Considering that it’s always been your band and your vision, the guys seem very open to not only rolling with what you want to do with your band but also bringing in ideas of their own that you can work with.

Oh yeah, absolutely! I always tell the guys to bring everything to the table. Our drummer Kyle (Castronovo,) he wrote “Omen Amen” on the last record because he plays guitar and everything. For me, I’ve always played guitar and then wrote the songs but I find it a challenge when someone comes in with a different riff that I didn’t write and then I’ve got to put a melody over it and do that. So, I actually prefer that. On this next recording, I actually have a couple riffs and ideas for songs, I always will, but I like having the guys bring in ideas and I think this last record excited everybody, got them riled up and everything so everybody’s got ideas so I’m excited to see what we come up with. So, it’s always fun to write new music and it’s always fun to try to outdo the last one. We’re never that kind of band, we’re always trying to top ourselves.

Something I had to ask you that I thought was really cool, talk a bit about your new relationship with Ashes. He’s been making all your stage clothes from what it seems like.

Ashes is a friend. He plays with DevilDriver, he was playing with Wayne Static in Static X before that but before the tour came up I just needed some clothes done quickly. I lost a lot of weight and I’ve been exercising and my normal guy, Bone Black, he couldn’t get to my clothing and I had been speaking with Ashes over the years about connecting and get some clothing done. I had just sang of the new DevilDriver record (Outlaws “Til The End) so we, kind of, crossed paths on that and I was like, “We need to get some clothes going. I’ve got some stuff for ya.” He came by the house and lucky that he got all this stuff done for me right before I came on the tour. He got me a cool leather jacket which I love and he’s cool so we have a bunch of new ideas. I just like getting stuff made from different people. I’m not like an exclusive with any person of anything. My friend, Kim Dylla, who has her Kylla stuff she does in Virginia, she’s made jackets for me. These are all my friends and I love wearing their stuff and each of them all have a different idea of how to do things so it’s cool to have different things from them because Ashes sees things differently then maybe Kim does because Kim’s a female and maybe she doesn’t see it fit the same, ya know what I mean? So, it’s cool to have different people make different clothing. I’m just lucky I’ve got some awesome friends that can make cool clothing because I used to make my own stuff and it was like every day, fright for the stage, it was like get the sewing kit out because I wasn’t that good at it. So, now I’ve got friends that I can literally draw out like a super outfit and go, “Can you make this?” and they go, “Yes.”

What would you say is the coolest thing about living in California now as opposed to North Carolina?

Everything. [Laughs] I still love North Carolina. It’s my home, my family, my Mom and Dad are still there and it’s always good to visit and things. But, that town was always just a place I wanted to get out of when I was younger. I didn’t necessarily mean to move to LA, I just kind of ended up there but I happen to love it there now. I like California but North Carolina still feels like home. But, for me, I think what I like the most about LA is I can walk into a store looking the way I do right now and I don’t look like a weirdo. There’s always like SpongeBob or Darth Vader dressed up or a homeless guy throwing up or fighting a ghost or something so I can blend in with the normal people where as in North Carolina if I’m out at the gas station and pumping gas and I pretty much dress the same way people just thought a spaceship crashed. I’m not out to get attention or anything like that. I think that’s one of the huge differences is that everyone from LA is not from LA and I think that’s why I like it because I tour so much, it’s not as bubbled in, so to speak. I know that, me, before I ever left North Carolina and going back now and I think back on my mentality from then to know and travelling and stuff, I was in a bubble. I didn’t understand the rest of the world and now, I’ve travelled so much. I think that’s why I like LA because it feels like I’m still travelling because no one’s from there.

Absolutely and to wrap this all up I thought I’d ask you this for a little bit of positivity. Of course, we lost a friend, we the fans lost an amazing talent and you lost a friend and former band member in Ben Graves. I simply wanted to ask you straight up about Ben as a band member and as a person.

The Ghoul, oh man.  There’s nobody like The Ghoul. Anybody that gets one name like Madonna or Prince, Slash…The Ghoul. What I really thought was cool about Ben Graves was that wasn’t a stage name, that was his real name. Everyone always thought, Graves! I thought so too and he shows me his license and said, “No, dude. Check it out.” Ben had this really thick Boston accent and he was like eight feet tall. We’d be talking and he’d be like, “Huh?” and we’d go, “Get out of Ghoul-Land! Get down here with us.” He was such a cool dude and we had a blast, man. That first Murderdolls record (Beyond The Valley Of The Murderdolls,) that was my first big tour, that was his first big tour and we got to tour the entire world. We did like Australia twice, Japan twice, we toured with Iron Maiden for six weeks and we did a lot of cool stuff.

So, we share a lot of those memories and it’s funny because when I moved to LA every time I would see him, I didn’t see him a lot, but every single time I’d see him we would always go right back to the same conversation and it was us quoting the scene from Terminator where he goes into the gun store and he’s going, “The Uzi nine-millimeter with laser sighting.” (In Arnold’s voice) and The Ghoul could just like imitate that and we would both just do that back and forth, we’re both movie junkies. He’s just a cool guy and it’s just unfortunate, you never expect that. I had no idea he was as sick as he was but I luckily got to make a phone call to him before he passed, said a few words and that made me feel good. It’s a sad thing, forty-five years old, that’s way too young. I’ll be forty-two this year and it’s just crazy to think that that guy’s gone. But, we had a tribute thing on our kick drum made for him, so we’re taking that all over the tour and over to Europe as a little dedication. Every night I get to look down and I see his name and every night I see it and I think about him at least once during the show every night. He’s there in spirit.

Wednesday, thank you so much. It’s always a pleasure to get to talk to you and thanks for making time for me.

Thank you, man. No problem.

Wednesday 13

I'm sitting here with Wednesday 13 of Wednesday 13, Murderdolls, Frankenstein Drag Queens and also tonight, Bourbon Crow.

That's right!

Thank you so much for taking some time, brother.

No problem.

So far, how's the tour going?

Good. I think we're half way through it now. We started on January 5th and it's been cool, man. It's such a laid back tour for me. The tours with the full band are a lot of work, the costumes and the makeup alone. Just getting into that and getting out of it's probably three hours and then the show's an hour and a half of my day. Where as this, more or less, it's a stripped down, storytellers, acoustic thing where I can be just stripped down about it. It's an intimate setting, it's almost like a live meet and greet. It's as if I was just playing in my apartment, in my bedroom and sitting around watching me tell stories and play these songs. That's, kind of, the vibe I tried to create on it and so far it's been working out. The fans love it, I have people tell me every night that they've seen me, I don't know how many times, but this is the coolest because it was such an intimate setting and you bet to hear stories because I cover everything from Frankenstein Drag Queens to Murderdolls to my releases and then I tell stories where I wrote certain songs and certain rock and roll adventures that are really dumb stories. Every night I tell different stories and I take questions from the fans so yeah, it's such an interactive thing. I think if you're a fan of what I do then I don't see how you could be disappointed in it. We play some of the songs acoustic and it's cool to see how some of these songs actually translate acoustically. People don't realize that that's how I write a lot of the stuff. I always write on acoustic guitar sitting in my bedroom or whatever and that's where it starts off so it's, kind of, cool to go back and hear them in that original form.

Is there any song that you've come across while you've done these acoustic shows that you tested out and found out, "Wow, that worked great!"?

Yeah, all the ones that we do were ones that worked out great. We had a long set list and you know immediately what certain songs will be like. Like, "Get Your Grave On" does not work acoustic. [Laughs] But, then you have songs like "God Is A Lie" or "I Walked With A Zombie" and they are fine. They're the same when you play them, they have the same vibe, you can sing along to it. There's certain song, of course, they're not going to work. You can't do "Hail Ming" acoustic because it's not going to sound good. [Laughs] But yeah, there's certain songs that I thought sounded good to myself and then we'd play them live and the fans love it. Like, our version of "Summertime Suicide" we do live is, I think, super cool acoustic. It's got a whole other vibe to it.

So, you did put out an acoustic album, Undead Unplugged, back in 2014 so into the third year now. Was putting out that acoustic album the brainchild for doing an acoustic tour or was it always something you were playing with?

I've had the idea for years. I basically got this idea from the artist Butch Walker. I've been a big fan of his work with his older bands for years and I saw a video of him at one of his concerts and he basically did an acoustic show where he just stripped everything down and me, as a fan, watching it I was like, "Fuck, dude! That's cool! I wish some other of my favorite bands would do that." and I couldn't find anybody else doing that and was like, "Fuck, what if I did that for my fans? Do something cool." So, the idea stemmed from that. I took 2014 off from doing the full band touring because I was really, kind of, burnt out on a lot of things. That was the only thing I did that year was put out that acoustic record and we did one UK tour. But, the UK tour went over so well so know in between all of my full band tours I can work these small tours in and do things and it's cool because the fans love it. We still have a ton of people come out to see us all over the place and in England at our last London show we had five hundred people at an acoustic show which was pretty crazy. So yeah, it's a unique thing and for me, from a fan point of view I think this is the ultimate thing.

Absolutely. Of course, you also have Bourbon Crow tonight and you're now three albums in on Bourbon Crow. Is this the first tour that that has Bourbon Crow and Wednesday 13 on the same bill?

It's the first one we've done but it definitely won't be the last. We tried to tour in 2009 with Bourbon Crow and we had a lot of shows get cancelled but we played a handful of dates and they went over really well. After that, I got busy with Murderdolls and then the Wednesday band came back again and I started doing that full time and then Rayen (Belchere,) who's my partner in Bourbon Crow, he got busy with his stuff so, when it became time to do the last Bourbon Crow record I was like, "Alright man, I've got a busy touring schedule but I'm going to, somehow, figure a way to work in Bourbon Crow into doing a tour." So, when it became time to do this acoustic run I was like, "Well, why don't I do a Bourbon Crow set and Rayen can be a part and do a two bands in one, sort of, deal." So, that's how it's turned out. The cool thing about Bourbon Crow is that over the years it's definitely creeped through the grapevine through people and they hear about it and it's cool because the fans liked it. I remember when I first put it out I thought it might be career suicide with a so called "country" thing out but I don't really call it a country project. It's literally a southern, drinking project so that's what it is.

Did the birth of Bourbon Crow come out of you and Rayen talking when he was still in Wednesday 13?

Yeah! He was Kid Kid, on my Transylvania 90210 record, and we live like forty-five minutes apart from each other. We met each other in 1994, '95 and we've been friends for years but when we were touring together, that last year of touring and we were hanging out after the shows and we were always talking about where we grew up from and we'd put on old Waylon Jennings records and just listen to stuff like that and then we'd have our acoustic guitars out and start coming up with some of these songs and we thought, "Hey, we should make a drinking project." We were always drinking and coming up with these funny songs and that's where it started. Then, we went and did the first album (Highway To Hangovers) and that was in 2005 and here we are, three albums later and all those years and still only have done a handful of shows. [Laughs] We're trying to make it a little different now so where people go, "Aw cool, I finally saw Bourbon Crow do a set!" So yeah, it's something I want to keep doing and the hardest part is finding the time to do it so luckily I was able to work it in for the States and we're taking it to the UK and also Australia in March.

I've got to through in something really quick for me because it's part of my scene and I've been a fan of you for years. Gunfire 76, I thought it was awesome. It has that glam metal feel and I grew up in that LA glam scene of Mötley Crüe and Poison, that's my world so talk about that project. Were you looking to branch out, were you just playing with ideas? Do tell?

It's no secret that I've always told my musical influences. I was a huge hair metal fan, I still am, but when I was doing the Wednesday stuff in 2008, I was really getting burnt out and I wasn't as focused as I have been these days. I was getting, kind of, burnt out on it and I remember one of the last tours we did, which was one of the coolest tours I've ever done, we get to do the farewell Hanoi Rocks tour in Japan. So, we did two weeks with Hanoi Rocks and I remember I wasn't really happy with the band. Not with the guys or anything like that per say, we just weren't playing the way I wanted to play and I wasn't happy with myself as the front guy and a guitarist, I wanted to just be the front guy because I was, kind of, sick of playing guitar. So, on that tour with Hanoi Rocks, I would sit everyday on the side of the stage and watch them play. They played two hours every night and I was just completely into it. Michael Monroe's one of my rock and roll heroes and he's one of the greatest front men of all time and I dare anyone to challenge him because he's a fucking maniac. I watched him every night and I was like, "Man, it'd be really cool to do a project that's a little more rock and roll and so much of whatever people call what I do." [Laughs] Something a little more stripped back and rock and roll. I didn't want to do hair metal but I wanted to do something that was still dirty, rock and roll and that sort of spirit.

So, I came back from that tour and I started working on ideas for songs and then I met up with this dude, Todd Youth who helped co-write that record with me (Casualties & Tragedies) and he was in this band called The Chelsea Smiles and he played guitar for D Generation and played for Danzig for a while. We started working on those songs together, we did a tour together, I put Wednesday 13 on hiatus, in the middle of 2009 I started doing Gunfire 76 and that was going to be full time for a while and then Murderdolls came in and stopped it. So, I went and did that but Gunfire was meant to be a project to go on for a while. If it does happen again and we all still talk about it because we're all still friends and our drummer Rob (Hammersmith) who was in the band, he's in Skid Row now so he's been really busy. We're still all great friends and talked and I'm trying to figure out where we can do a week of dates somewhere, sometime. I don't know when and eventually we'll put out maybe not a full record but we'll do an EP or some songs for iTunes or something because it'd be cool to get together because that band really is what turned into Wednesday 13 after that. The Gunfire guys went and joined Murderdolls and then Murderdolls stopped and we kept going as our band. It was a great record, I wouldn't want to play those songs in the Wednesday 13 set because it's so different and that's why I like it. It's such a different project. So, I actually get to shed my skin when I get into that band and do a whole different thing.

It's cool to have different outlets. Like, Bourbon Crow is the same way. I don't have to be in my whole Wednesday 13 getup and I can just do that so it's just cool to have different projects and things because there is different sides to my personality and that's why I do the different music that I do, to show those sides. Sometimes it gets confusing because people go, "You're not supposed to look like that!" Well, what the fuck am I supposed to look like?

Well Wednesday, for what it's worth, speaking for Baltimore, we do a festival every year called M3 and it's literally a glam, 80s, LA music festival. So, if you find yourself with a schedule gap in late April, early May because that's always when it is every year, you could always try to get on that.

I've heard of it. That's a good idea. Actually, it's be cool for us to get on one of those hair metal, Monsters Of Rock cruises because that would definitely fit in there, for sure.

Absolutely. Where did the Gunfire come from in the band name. You've been using 76 in your music for years in all bodies of Wednesday 13 work.

Yeah, '76 is the year I was born and I don't know where the Gunfire thing came from. I just wrote some words down and pieced it together. [Laughs] I really don't know where that came from but I know I came up with the name in a hotel room in London because I wrote it down on one of the hotel ledger pads and thought it was cool. I was just writing a bunch of names down and that was the one that, kind of, stuck out.

Pulling it back to Wednesday 13 because now in 2017 you have Condolences coming out. Tell us a little bit about it because it's coming after Monsters of the Universe which was your first concept album. Is Condolences going to be a concept album as well or will it be more of a traditional Wednesday 13 record?

This is a whole different record all together. It's not a concept record but the theme is death. [Laughs] It's a really dark, violent album. I keep telling everybody that it's the heaviest album we've ever done but it's still Wednesday 13. It's not like I'm trying to change my voice and get all metal, I can't do that, but the music has definitely moved up into a more metal sound. But lyrically, I think it's probably back to where the fans like it. The last record, I was experimenting because it was a concept story. It was, basically, all these conspiracy theories I read and I turned them into my own little weirdo story. I love that album by the way, it was such a cool thing to do, a departure and get to do something out of the box like that and that's opened up the door for what we did with this because every record that we make there's no rules with anything. We always try to experiment and do different things but always paying respect to the past. We don't ever lose sight of what it is but with the new album it's taken a whole other form.

What I want to do with the live show is everything is new. I've changed everything up. The logo's different, the album artwork is completely different. It's like nothing we've ever released before and, honestly, this is my favorite thing I've ever recorded. It's the only thing I've spent this long on. We spent three months writing and recording this from scratch. We had a couple of riffs and ideas but didn't have songs before we got together. We just came in with a bag full of riff ideas and we sat down for two weeks and we wrote a song a day and we spent all day writing a song. We would play every version, we would try every drum beat, every single angle of it as we got to detail a song like that. Which is really cool because I've never been able to really do that before. We usually just have demos but we actually got to write the songs. So, that was the first time I even spent that long writing a record and I think it's going to show to people. The band, the players on it like our new (Kyle Castronovo,) he's taken the band to a new level. It's insane, his drumming on it.

I saw you at Canal Club and was like, "Holy Shit!" watching him.

He's the best drummer I've ever played with in my life and him and our guitarist Roman (Surman,) just the way they played on the album is so fucking cool. I'm such a fan of it myself but, right now, I can't say what's going on with the release because I don't have the exact date on it but there's some good stuff in the pipelines and I think I'm going to get exactly what I set out to do awhile ago. People are going to be shocked and people are going to see me a lot more then what they have been. This will be a really, really busy year for us. I have a lot of stuff that I can't announce yet like tour dates and things we're doing but it's fucking awesome and I've only got half the year of that right now. This is going to be a really, really good year for us.

Even without a release date, Wednesday, do we get it this year?

Oh yeah! You're going to have it by June. (Update: June 2nd on Nuclear Blast)

I have two questions to take it in a fun direction. Do we get another Weirdo A Go-Go?

Possibly. Just again, finding the time to do it. What I tell people when they ask me is what I want to do if we revisit it is it won't be a DVD release like that because that was just to much work to put a physical copy out like that so if we do it we're just going to do episodes online. Like a ten minute episode and we could piece the story together like that. We have a ton of ideas and we're a bunch of goofballs and it'd be more fun to focus on an episode like that as opposed to doing it all in one day because we can do more stuff with it.

It's one of those things that I did years ago and I'm not sure why it happened but it happened. But, I love it and for me when I look back at my career and everything I've done I love to go, "Fuck yeah, I did that. I did my own puppet show." I've got this side project that's totally different from this, I've got a fucking drinking project, I've got all these different little things that I feel separates me from the pack of people that I get compared to.

And, it's common knowledge, you've written songs about these topics for years. Have you seen any cool horror movies lately?

Not at all. I'm not saying that anything sucks I just haven't watched anything. I used to watch movies all the time but I barely have enough time to sit down and get through something because I've been so busy lately but I want to see something good. I haven't seen anything in a long time. The only thing I've seen recently that would be considered horror was Stranger Things which was fucking amazing. It's crazy, I've just had so much going on that I don't have time to investigate into horror movie stuff like I used to when I was younger. Again, I still love watching stuff like that and I think the last good thing I've seen over the years was The Strangers. That was really cool, I just like weird concepts and stuff like that. Something I've never seen before or something that's out of the blue that's totally cool like that.

Wednesday, thanks again for taking some time to sit down. Have a great show tonight. Kill it and good luck.

No problem. I appreciate it, buddy. Thank you so much.

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